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Khmers losing their cool

Posted by sayadian on 23/1/2012 at 05:37

Coming back on the Sorya bus 1.10 p.m. on Saturday the bus suddenly hurled to the left and then back onto the right side.Three boys on a motorbike had just pulled off the dirt at the side of the road diagonally and straight into the path of the bus.The driver completely lost his cool and pulling to the side of the moving motor began a long and very rude invective aimed at them.One of them must have said something back as he told the conductor to fetch an ugly, long iron bar.It was clearly the intention of the boy to take a swing at the riders with an iron bar FFS!!! It was only the wailing of the Khmer passengers and the distraught shouts of 'no' which made him hesitate thankfully as he would have broken someone's back.
Has anybody else had similar experiences of S.E.Asians losing it like this?
The boys deserved a 'clip round the ear' for their stupidity but an iron bar.Wow that was OTT.

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Posted by MADMAC on 23/1/2012 at 05:55

More than once. My wife was at a bar here when a dispute over nothing ended up in a dead guy in the parking lot. My cleaning lady from Vietnam had a friend who was killed in their apartment when one guy didn't like the way he said "excuse me" to get past where this small group was drinking / eating (they were drunk of course). He was stabbed to death. On my street two guys got into a fist fight which quickly escalated into a shooting. At the Mukdahan fair kids from two neighboring villages got into it, the smaller group fled in a car, they were chased down by a larger group of kids armed with pistols. The car crashed into the wall at Mukdahan School, and the kids on the motorbikes got off and cooly shot each passenger before he could get out. Killed all four. There's more violence here than the wild west and almost always over nothing.

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Posted by chinarocks on 23/1/2012 at 06:08

Surprising to hear these kinds of stories. From my experiences there and from what I've heard from others, Asia is not a dangerous place to travel, particularly not, one would imagine, when compared with South or Central America. The worst experiences I had in the region was being ripped off a few times.

These stories clearly blow the myth.

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Posted by MADMAC on 23/1/2012 at 06:38

Well China, actually Thailand is not a dangerous place to travel providing you are polite and friendly. There is a ton of violence here, but it's mostly caused by passion. The reason most people who visit here don't realize that the level of violence is high is because of all the smiles and the friendly nature of the people. That is mistaken for cool headedness and kindly nature. People here are friendly, but when they lose it, they really lose it. We don't fit into their system, so as a result we usually get a pass. Occassionally you see a foreigner yelling at a local, but it's pretty rare. Most people here on vacation want to have fun, and most people who live here know better. So for your average tourist, this place is quite safe with that caveat.

South and Central America, on the other hand, have a lot of poverty based violent crime. That's a whole other kettle of fish as a tourist is an easier target and probably has more money on him than an indigenous person.

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Posted by goonistik on 23/1/2012 at 11:05

Sayadian,

Isn't that "road rage?" It sure isn't limited to Asia.

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Posted by neosho on 23/1/2012 at 17:05

Have to agree with you Madmac. Don't make them lose "face".

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Posted by MADMAC on 23/1/2012 at 20:38

Yep - you embarass a local here, and you are playing with fire. That, and the village kids killing each other just because. Kind of like gangs in south central.

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Posted by sayadian on 23/1/2012 at 22:53

goonistik
It certainly was 'road rage' but I always thought people in these parts accept and expect stupid driving.
Madmac
With respect, how do you 'embarass' someone by being an idiotic driver?
I suspect it was something the boy said which made him lose control NOT the imbecilic driving, since if it wasn't for the quick reaction of the driver they would have all died without a doubt.

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Posted by MADMAC on 24/1/2012 at 02:28

yes Sayadian, I agree. He probably said something - all precipitated by the driving of course.

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Posted by neosho on 24/1/2012 at 02:44

Atleast in asia, it usually involves an interaction between people. In the states you have to wear body armour to go out to eat. Some clown pissed off at his wife may walk in dressed like Rambo and decide to kill 30 people.
Sayadian.... "expect and accept stupid driving" LOL I know I do.

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Posted by MADMAC on 24/1/2012 at 12:16

Neosho
Don't fool yourself. The firearms homicide rate in Thailand is TWICE the US. No matter how you slice it or dice it, Thailand and SEA as a whole are much more violent societies.

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Posted by neosho on 25/1/2012 at 07:16

I wasn't saying it isn't Madmac. But from what I have seen, there is usually a reason involving people behind it, unlike killing innocent strangers. Even Thailand has it's ocasional whacko but you can read about it almost every week happening in the states. America is my home country, like yours and it's sad to see.

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Posted by chinarocks on 25/1/2012 at 07:29

Interesting thread guys but a quick Internet search (and it was quick, maybe MADMAC has more reliable figures) does not back up what you are saying.

North America has a worst number of homicides per 100,000 population than SE Asia.

Happy to stand corrected though.

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Posted by MADMAC on 25/1/2012 at 09:44

Neosho,
Absolutely. These are almost always crimes of passion with the occassional business murder thrown in.

China
Gun violence, not homicides. Thailand is the only country listed here though - coming in at number three. If they had numbers for it, I am sure Somalia would be higher.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

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Posted by neosho on 25/1/2012 at 17:34

I think I remember reading a few years ago in the Bangkok Post where Thailand was up in the top slots. Can't remember all the details or numbers though. I've slept since then.

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