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7 Ways Cambodia Can Solve its Foreign Dude Problem

Posted by somtam2000 on 6/1/2014 at 20:36 admin

Cambodia website Khmer 440 has a provocative piece titled "7 Ways Cambodia Can Solve its Foreign Dude Problem" The whole piece is well worth a read, but in summary, the suggestions are:


1. Impose gender-based visa fees
2. Ban foreign men from teaching Cambodian children
3. Only give long term visas to foreigners with jobs, businesses, or spouses in Cambodia
4. Interrogate and search single male travellers on arrival
5. Stop giving visas on arrival to Africans
6. Criminalise extramarital sex between foreign men and local women
7. May I suggest the occasional civil war?

5 & 7 strike me as ridiculous, but what are your thoughts?

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Posted by exacto on 6/1/2014 at 21:39

So, only suggestions number 5 and 7 strike you as ridiculous? The comments at the bottom of the article don't much support gavinmac's novella either, but then again, maybe those critical comments are from Foreign Dudes.

The article did mention that Thailand has recently introduced cock-blocking visa measures. Any idea what those might be?

It seems that most problems like this can usually be solved by enforcing existing laws rather than creating new ones. I guess I'd like to see some metrics supporting or debunking the claims gavinmac makes about the Foreign Dude problem as well.

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Posted by eastwest on 7/1/2014 at 02:50

So, stepping over the fact that this is just a hypothetical discussion on the sidelines, I don't see how the discrimination based on gender and race of 1, 2 and 4 do not strike somtam as ridiculous. That is disappointing to say the least.

Not that they would work anyway. The only sensible - and easy to implement- point is point 3.
How could any person coming from any equal treatment country ever support such rules? And as Exacto points out the existing laws can well cover these problems. For the rest I find the topic too ridiculous for words.
You don't ban sports matches because of a few hooligans. Nor do you ban all males or whites (all/most hooligans are white males) from attending a match.

Exacto, the problem is real and the general point of the writer is valid. Plenty of washed out white guys/loosers "fleeing" Thailand do end up in Cambodia and they are not the best sort of visitor. But I wouldn't say it's an unmanageable problem. If only the police was more effective and serious about their work. And that is also the crux with any proposal: all these new rules/laws will have to be enforced by the same police.

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Posted by somtam2000 on 7/1/2014 at 03:17 admin

As Eastwest says, the problem is real and the general points the writer raises are valid. As I mentioned up top the piece is provocative -- but I think the piece does a solid job of highlighting an issue that seems to be, well far more of an issue, in Cambodia, than say in Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia or Laos.

Yes better controls -- be they immigration, policing, teacher screening or whatever -- would be a good start and I think the above piece works well to highlight some of these shortcomings.

Cambodia has received billions of dollars in aid (in all forms and flavours and admittedly for all manner of purposes -- over US$5billion in 2000-2010 for eg) and yet kids are still at risk for basic necessities like a safe environment for schooling/care.

I don't know the author, so I don't want to push any assumptions on top of what he wrote, but at the risk of doing that anyway, I don't think he is seriously suggesting some of the measures should be adopted, but rather asking WTF is going on.

edit:
Sorry I'm not saying this isn't a problem elsewhere - eg the teacher just arrested in Battambang was teaching in Bangkok, but the problems seems to be over represented in Cambodia.

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Posted by exacto on 7/1/2014 at 08:15

then gavinmac is using dark humor to bring attention to a valid problem.

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Posted by gregmccann1 on 15/1/2014 at 10:35

Like most of gavinmac's articles there are several very funny lines, a couple of moments of insight, and then a lot of filler. The sensationalist/tabloid photos do make me laugh, I must admit, and generally speaking there is something I like about this and his other articles, but there is also something about this and them as falling flat in some way. I dunno. I'm not much of a critic.

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Posted by MADMAC on 15/1/2014 at 11:46

They are all insane.

The only "problem" that needs to be solved in the pedophile draw, and the way to solve that problem is by harshly prosecuting them when they are caught.

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Posted by LeonardCohen1 on 15/1/2014 at 19:31

Pt 6 is ridiculous and barbaric.
All the pts are discriminatory.

MM is correct. Sex crimes happen the world over and harsh penalties should apply to them.

All those pts do is punish the innocent.

The author sounds like a bigot and rather clueless.

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Posted by michien on 8/1/2015 at 21:00

Autralians can now also be prosecuted under Autralian law for these types of crimes

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Posted by MADMAC on 9/1/2015 at 11:10

I've often wondered about this idea that you are going to prosecute someone in Australia for something they did in Cambodia. I would think evidence tampering and the logistics would make a fair trial quite difficult. Has anyone actually been prosecuted in Australia for an act committed overseas?

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