Posted by MADMAC on 28/12/2009 at 09:50
Thailand used the Hmong just like the US did in it's fight against communist incursion. This action disgraces Thailand for sure. The US should accept the Hmong refugees - we owe them.
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Posted by somsai on 28/12/2009 at 10:53
Actually the Hmong in Thailand were the commies, it was back in the bad old 80s. And arms and equipment moved down the same routes into Petchabune from Laos that these refugees used to escape communist persecution. Different Hmong. Tops of all those mountains you cross on the way from Pitsinialok (spelling sorry) were deforested. The Thai used Akha and others in the war against them. It was a long time ago.
The US, Australia, and European nations have all offered to recieve Hmong refugees but the Thai govt doesn't recognise the UNHCR status given to them.
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Posted by MADMAC on 28/12/2009 at 23:14
If they were commies, then why are they concerned about going to Laos? It's currently run by same. Should be brothers in arms.
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Posted by somsai on 28/12/2009 at 23:22
They are different Hmong.
The Thai had their own little anti govt insurgencey in the 80s. Hmong commies joined by students who were masacred in large number during demonstrations in BKK. (this is all from memory so please excuse outright inacuracies)The students joined with the Hmong until a general amnesty combined with an exploding economy changed everyones attitude.
There's a famous mountain resort in the hills on the main road operated by the former Hmong communist guerilla leader.
I lived most of a year in Petchabun early 90s so I absorbed slight bits of history despite my efforts not to.
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Posted by MADMAC on 29/12/2009 at 17:02
But that begs the questions:
1. Why would these Hmong rather live in a refugee camp than in Laos?
2. Why didn't the general amnesty apply to them as well as everyone else?
3. Why do they claim to fear reprisals in Laos and why does amnesty international support those claims?
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Posted by somsai on 30/12/2009 at 03:33
Remember I was talking different Hmong from a different country in a different time. The only similarity is Phetchabun.
1. Cause in Laos they're shot on site.
2. different hmong, different government, different war.
3. Because they have very recent experience and a some people sent back "disappear". #3 part B Because they're very credible.
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Posted by MADMAC on 30/12/2009 at 09:55
Pretty much explains why they don't want to go to Laos and why they probably should not be compelled to.
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