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horror stories from thailand?

Posted by jasonkim8486 on 18/9/2009 at 03:44

any one NOT enjoy there visit to thailand due certain circumstances? just had to ask

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Posted by idreamofdurian on 18/9/2009 at 12:44 TF writer

I've traveled the country top to bottom and the worst that's ever happened to me is a bus ride taking twice as long as it was supposed to.

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Posted by mikethediver on 18/9/2009 at 14:21

I could tell you a few.
Tuk Tuk drivers branishing knives rather than giving change.

A lot about the cost of fixing damaged rental bikes and as a falang any accident is ALWAYS your fault.

The cost of paying for an accident in a car which was supposed to have 'full' insurance, but still cost the renter 20,000 baht.

Bags snatched by bike riders.

But, one incident doesn't change the fact that it is a by and large a friendly and safe country and most people don't let an single incident ruin their whole holiday

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Posted by somtam2000 on 19/9/2009 at 08:53 admin

If you ask around, there is no shortage of horror stories, but there is about anywhere -- personally I've been stabbed and shot at, but neither happened in Thailand!

Despite what you may see on the idiotic box, Thailand remains a particularly safe country to travel -- and live -- in. Of course there are various ratbags and lowlife who may give you a hard time, but the chances of this can be minimised by using common sense and doing your upmost to avoid tricky situations and by staying in control.

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Posted by MADMAC on 19/9/2009 at 12:34

"A lot about the cost of fixing damaged rental bikes and as a falang any accident is ALWAYS your fault."

I have to say a good measure of this is urban legend. A friend of mine here was on his motorcycle turning left when a Thai kid of about 20, driving WAY too fast, tried to pass him on his left as he was turning. Just missed his leg, he and the bike went down hard, but with no serious injury fortunately. The bike, however, was pretty beat up. Police came and the kid claimed that my friend had not used his turn signal. The police officer went over the fallen bike, turned on the ignition key - the turn signal started to blink. The kid was fuond fault on the spot and had to pay for the damages to the bike.

I have also been stopped by the police here for a whole host of violations - all of which I was guilty of - and have yet to pay a bribe or a fine. I always smile, say I'm sorry, and the cops ALWAYS let me go.

If you are friendly (instead of aggresively standing up for your rights) you can get away with almost anything here. Thailand is a get along kind of place.

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Posted by christof on 19/9/2009 at 21:11

Agree with previous posters

Sure, there are some dangerous situations in Thailand but there are in any country. Once you have stayed in Thailand for a while you will find it is somewhat safer.

Don't be flash and remember whose country you are a guest in. Learn some Thai and learn when to use it...then hope for the best ;-)

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Posted by mikethediver on 20/9/2009 at 16:55

'I have to say a good measure of this is urban legend.'

Hi MADMAC,
Just to tell you the three incidents I have been personally involved with.
*A friend on a bike turning right, indicating and correctly positioned, was hit in the rear by a car. Unable to be resolved on the spot, the police took everyone to the police station. My friend eventually paid 2,000 to the car driver (he had wanted 20,000) and of course had to pay to fix his rental bike.

* A friend was riding slow on the road and a Thai girl run out in front of him. Taken to the police station the girl stated he was driving on the pavement! (Ridiculous as well as almost immpossible as the kerbs are 8 - 10 inches high!). He eventually had to pay the girl 5,000 Baht.

*Myself while driving a car and turning right (yes I was indicating and correctly positioned and, i fact, I had almost completed the turn) when I was hit in rear by a motorbike. Regreatable he was badly injured. I had to go the police station with the car and my passport. After statements etc, I was given my passport back (truely an admission by the police that I was not at fault as they would normally keep your passport until the issue was resolved).

This do not stop the police, a month later, dragging the car owner and another farang who happened to driving, down to the police station requesting thousand of baht for hospital bills for the injured rider. They, of course, refused to pay and fortuneatly, at this point, I was out of the country otherwise the outcome could have been different.

MADMAC I can only speak as I find, and in my experience I would consider you to be a lucky boy!!!!!!!

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Posted by MADMAC on 20/9/2009 at 19:45

Mike
Can you say where all this happened? Because where I live all none of the expats have this experience. We've all been treated very fairly by the local police. I have to say I have been treated more than fairly. If I did at home what I do here, I'd have been in serious trouble.

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Posted by somsai on 20/9/2009 at 22:56

Wonder who said this, "having been constantly jerked around by officialdom, I now begin to understand how the Somalis finally gave into the temptation and destroyed their own government" about the hassels of the run around over a visa?

Mac those fellas are playin wid yo head. After you leave the office there's all kinds of high fives and little victory dances going round, bet they even grab each other about the waist and do a little salsa number complete with exagerated hip movements mimicking the katoys. That enigmatic Thai smile means someone just thought they won the office pool as to wether that ex US military guy loses it or his blood pressure just starts squirting out the top of his head first.

I missed the first train to Uban once. Gave me a chance to get a Dunkin Donut at the station. Travelers angst disipated.

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Posted by Rufus on 21/9/2009 at 07:31

I agree with Mac here. This is an urban legend. I would be curious also to know where when these events occurred.

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Posted by MADMAC on 21/9/2009 at 11:29

Somsai
Probably - and technically they are police too. But if I have to get hassled, I would rather it be from the visa cops than the traffic cops.

On a positive note, the individual who was giving me such a hard time has been transfered to Nong Khai - allegedly around corruption charges. My last visit was nice and smooth! Let's see how renewal goes.

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Posted by mikethediver on 21/9/2009 at 19:34

'Can you say where all this happened'

Certainly can.

All of this incidents took place in Kata/Karon Phuket where I operated a dive shop for many years.
The person on the first motorbike was my nephew.
The person on the second bike was a customer from Germany.
And I was driving the car.

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Posted by christof on 21/9/2009 at 20:52

Mike. If you operated a dive shop in Phuket for many years then you must be aware of the vast differences between places in Thailand.

In Phuket they can get away with treating farang badly because there are loads of anonymous tourists about and you can continue to try your luck scamming them without too much consequence. Anywhere, that has too many farang seems to be like this.

Where I live in Khuraburi and on Koh Phra Thong there are veryfew westerners and as I am local and known then they treat me differently. Of course I am and always will be farang and I can never know how the local authorities will behave towards me. However, for the past 2 years in this place I have been treated very well and all the locals stare, wave and smile at the strange farang man zipping around on his scooter.

A different world from Phuket or Bangkok

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Posted by MADMAC on 21/9/2009 at 22:48

I think Christof is right here. I live in a small city... I know all the cops. And even when I do tours up the river on my bike, I never get hassled. Stopped at check points to check for license - sure. But hassled, no. Always friendly, never a problem.

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Posted by kraver_alex on 21/9/2009 at 22:59

Somtam- I'm sorry, I'm a nosey bugger, but where were you stabbed and shot at? Sorry...

The thing I have learned about Thailand from this thread in anticipation of my trip in 2 months: don't ride a motorbike/drive a car.

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Posted by christof on 21/9/2009 at 23:10

...or travel by minibus

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Posted by MADMAC on 22/9/2009 at 00:54

I ride my bike every day...

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Posted by billbevan01 on 22/9/2009 at 02:32

out of interest madmac, where do you live?

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Posted by Sparts on 22/9/2009 at 04:20

Yeah Stuart, you can;t say something like that and then not tell us the story! Spill the beans my friend!

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Posted by somtam2000 on 22/9/2009 at 07:29 admin

Not much to tell really, I was stabbed one night while walking home with my girlfriend while I was living in the UK (Stockwell, London) and I was shot at (though he missed) while travelling in the US.

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Posted by somsai on 22/9/2009 at 08:25

"shot at (though he missed) while travelling in the US."

Might not have been a miss, might have just been trying to get your attention, we think it's rude to say "hey you". or hey matey or whatever.

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Posted by MADMAC on 22/9/2009 at 11:34

Bill, I live in Mukdahan

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Posted by khunwilko on 23/9/2009 at 20:12

"A lot about the cost of fixing damaged rental bikes and as a falang any accident is ALWAYS your fault. " - this of course is not true.

the 2 horror stories of thailand are ....

the rape of the environment.

the complete absence off customer service/comeback.

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Posted by MADMAC on 24/9/2009 at 12:51

Wilko
I want you to know that since our last discussion, a friend of mine bought these little solar garden lamps. Sun powers them during the day, solar lighting illuminates them at night. You know the things.

Well, half of them didn't work, he took them in, and they were replaced at no charge with new ones. Some of those didn't work as well, and he took those in and actually got his money back.

I'll admit it's rare, but things are a changin'!!!

Awareness of the environment is just starting to become an issue here.

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Posted by christof on 24/9/2009 at 20:03

Mac I agree with you to an extent but the speed at which it is happening it too slow.

Environmental degradation in Thailand is rampant and it will take more than a few solar spotlights to change it.

My experience with marine environmental issues suggests that we are mostly wasting our time in trying to modify the behaviour of older generations. The environmentalist position should come from the heart and not the pocket.

For instance on the island of Koh Phra Thong where I work there is a turtle conservation project. Sometimes the villagers catch a turtle whilst fishing. Now a turtle is worth pretty good money as the flesh is a delicacy. So the person who caught the turtle is compensated to let the turtle go. Then several days later it comes out that the turtle was recaught and made into yummy turtle soup.

Similarly I don't think you will ever get a huge number of people of chinese descent to believe that sharks fins don't have some magical effect.

Fortunately the environmental message can be taken on by younger generations. I have taught science to kids in Bangkok and a large amount of them are outraged by what is happening to their environment. The next step is to get them involved in field trips and to cultivate this interest and further to get a good % of them through into these fields at University.

On Koh Phra Thong we give up our dive boat for school snorkeling at the local islands. Next season we will be developing simple marine programs for them. I also have a local Divemaster trainee coming through. From the perspective of a marine ecologist it makes sense to influence these coastal communities who are directly involved with the oceans on a daily basis.

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Posted by Sparts on 25/9/2009 at 02:03

Keep up the good work Christof :)

BTW, I gave you the thumbs down by accident - sorry - fat fingers ;p

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Posted by MADMAC on 25/9/2009 at 03:14

I agree it's moving slowly... but ultimately that is up to the Thais... it's their country after all. I appreciate what you are doing. So don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day, the Thais will have to change their attitudes towards the environment - we can't do it for them.

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Posted by christof on 25/9/2009 at 05:25

MAC it IS up to the Thais but there is no reason why we can't help some of them recognise how to protect their national heritage.

We just have to play by the rules and remember whose country we are in.

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Posted by MADMAC on 25/9/2009 at 11:47

Chris
Agreed.

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